While in Uganda to open a large mosque for the Muslim community…
Ugandan Church leaders have asked Christians to forgive Libya’s leader for suggesting the Bible was forged as it didn’t mention the Prophet Muhammad.
LOL!
Ugandan clerics pointed out the Bible was written before Muhammad was born.
ROFL!
At Kampala’s Christ the King Church, Monsignor Paul Ssemwogerere said: “Since the Muslim community has already distanced itself from Colonel Gaddafi’s sentiments, let’s forgive him as Christians.” [source]
ROFLMAO!
sigh
I do not see the logic here. The bible contains many many prophecies of things that would happen after it was written.
And since it is a revelation from God, there can only be one that is the correct version, yet there are tens of thousands of versions of the bible. Only one can be true, which makes the others not.
In the Quran we have a verse that clearly says the bible contains word of prohpet Mohammed.
I read some of the bible and did not see any pointer to Mohammad, but this is really a minor issue, if it is not mentioned, it is still a holy book. Christianity had more important things than to mention Prophet Mohammad (Pbuh) Who was to come later I think.
Viva Israteen 😀
The Bible name in Arabic is (Enjeel) إنجيل And it means Bishara البشارة (Gospel), And the Bible came to preach of Prophet Muhammad (peace upon him) and I saw a copy Of Bible printed at around 1907 that preaching of Prophet Muhammad (peace upon him), so what Qadafy said is true, Bible was forged becase it does not contain preaching of Prophet Muhammad (peace upon him), since that was one of the mean reasons in sending Bible
يعني لو كنت مسيØÙŠ الواØد ما بزعل بس انت مسلم وما بتÙهم هاي المصيبة
يا عمي إذا ما بتÙهم بالدين لا تكتب اشي
Ghassan: “since that was one of the mean reasons in sending Bible”, first of all, no it wasnt. second of all, the main reason Muslims do not believe the Bible to be true is due to the belief that it has been changed or modified over the years, and therefore unrepresentative of the true word of God, verbatim. Not because the Prophet (pbuh) wasn’t mentioned. Third of all, whatever one’s beliefs are, they don’t go into to a largely Christian country and berate them about their “falsehoods”, it’s just embarrassing. should i go on?
Firas: wow, a well-framed argument. you, my little friend, are a schizophrenic poet. now lemme talk to ghassan again 😉
يعني عÙوا مش عار٠شو الجزء اللي ضØكك بالموضوع 🙂
من تÙسير ابن كثير http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=61&nAya=6
وَقَدْ قَالَ اللَّه تَعَالَى” الَّذÙينَ يَتَّبÙعÙونَ الرَّسÙول النَّبÙيّ الْأÙمّÙيّ الَّذÙÙŠ يَجÙدÙونَه٠مَكْتÙوبًا عÙنْدهمْ ÙÙÙŠ التَّوْرَاة وَالْإÙنْجÙيل” الْآيَة.
((خالد يقول:عندك شك بالموضوع يعني؟ مكتوب بالÙرآن يا اخي انه يجدونه مكتوبا عندهم ÙÙŠ التوراة Ùˆ الانجيل))
وَقَالَ تَعَالَى ” ÙˆÙŽØ¥Ùذْ أَخَذَ اللَّه Ù…Ùيثَاق النَّبÙيّÙينَ لَمَا آتَيْتÙÙƒÙمْ Ù…Ùنْ ÙƒÙتَاب ÙˆÙŽØÙكْمَة Ø«Ùمَّ جَاءَكÙمْ رَسÙول Ù…ÙصَدّÙÙ‚ Ù„Ùمَا مَعَكÙÙ… لَتÙؤْمÙÙ†Ùنَّ بÙه٠وَلْتَنْصÙرÙنَّه٠قَالَ أَأَقْرَرْتÙمْ وَأَخَذْتÙمْ عَلَى Ø°ÙŽÙ„ÙÙƒÙمْ Ø¥ÙصْرÙÙŠ قَالÙوا أَقْرَرْنَا قَالَ ÙَاشْهَدÙوا وَأَنَا مَعَكÙمْ Ù…Ùنْ الشَّاهÙدÙينَ ”
قَالَ اÙبْن عَبَّاس : مَا بَعَثَ اللَّه نَبÙيًّا Ø¥Ùلَّا أَخَذَ عَلَيْه٠الْعَهْد لَئÙنْ بÙعÙØ«ÙŽ Ù…ÙØَمَّد ÙˆÙŽÙ‡ÙÙˆÙŽ Øَيّ لَيَتَّبÙعَنه٠وَأَخَذَ عَلَيْه٠أَنْ يَأْخÙØ° عَلَى Ø£Ùمَّته لَئÙنْ بÙعÙØ«ÙŽ Ù…ÙØَمَّد ÙˆÙŽÙ‡Ùمْ Ø£ÙŽØْيَاء لَيَتَّبÙعÙنَّه٠وَيَنْصÙرÙنَّه٠وَقَالَ Ù…ÙØَمَّد بْن Ø¥ÙسْØَاق ØَدَّثَنÙÙŠ ثَوْر بْن يَزÙيد عَنْ خَالÙد بْن مَعْدَان عَنْ أَصْØَاب رَسÙول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْه٠وَسَلَّمَ أَنَّهÙمْ قَالÙوا يَا رَسÙول اللَّه أَخْبÙرْنَا عَنْ Ù†ÙŽÙْسك قَالَ” دَعْوَة أَبÙÙŠ Ø¥ÙبْرَاهÙيم وَبÙشْرَى عÙيسَى وَرَأَتْ Ø£ÙمّÙÙŠ ØÙين Øَمَلَتْ بÙÙŠ كَأَنَّه٠خَرَجَ Ù…Ùنْهَا Ù†Ùور أَضَاءَتْ Ù„ÙŽÙ‡Ù Ù‚ÙصÙور بÙصْرَى Ù…Ùنْ أَرْض الشَّام ” وَهَذَا Ø¥Ùسْنَاد جَيّÙد وَرÙÙˆÙÙŠÙŽ لَه٠شَوَاهÙد Ù…Ùنْ ÙˆÙجÙوه Ø£Ùخَر.
ÙˆÙŽØ¥Ùذْ قَالَ عÙيسَى ابْن٠مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنÙÙŠ Ø¥ÙسْرَائÙيلَ Ø¥ÙنّÙÙŠ رَسÙول٠اللَّه٠إÙلَيْكÙمْ Ù…ÙصَدّÙقًا Ù„Ùمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ Ù…ÙÙ†ÙŽ التَّوْرَاة٠وَمÙبَشّÙرًا بÙرَسÙول٠يَأْتÙÙŠ Ù…Ùنْ بَعْدÙÙŠ اسْمÙه٠أَØْمَدÙØŒ الآيه.
انتهى كلام ابن كثير.
الآن انا مرتبك يعني، هو انت مش مواÙÙ‚ عالمكتوب بالقران، ولا انك ما مر عليك، ولا عندك شي نظرية بالموضوع؟
Ghassan: “since that was one of the mean reasons in sending Bibleâ€, first of all, no it wasnt. second of all, the main reason Muslims do not believe the Bible to be true is due to the belief that it has been changed or modified over the years, and therefore unrepresentative of the true word of God, verbatim. Not because the Prophet (pbuh) wasn’t mentioned.
” first of all, no it wasnt. ” yes it was definatly one of the main reasons of sending the bible, to send the bshara of innabi 3alyhi i99alat wassalam, that will be a nabi for ever, while risalat sayyidna 3eesa is limited in time and will stop being followed the moment risalat mu7ammed 3alayhi i99alat wassalam appears (y3ni this is the muslim belief). so yes, its a very main point in the bible to point out 3alamt innobowwa of prophet m7ammed pbuh so that the rest of humanity until the end of life would follow his leads.
“second of all, the main reason Muslims do not believe the Bible to be true is due to the belief that it has been changed or modified over the years, and therefore unrepresentative of the true word of God, verbatim. Not because the Prophet (pbuh) wasn’t mentioned.” not true, its both of them, its both that the ta3aleem were changed, the 3aqeeda and the mo7arramat, and also the tabsheer of innabi 3alayhi i99alat wassalam, because we are told in quran that there is bshara about muhammed pbuh and bible today say that there isnt (or doest?! read if interested http://www.google.jo/search?hl=ar&q=%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF+%D9%81%D9%8A+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D9%86%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%84&meta= ) so if the bible doesnt have it today, it means it was changed, its definatly one cealr and important reason of the reasons why we say its been changed, because this bshara is not a secondary point, its a lead to the humanity for ever and ever, as i said.
y3ni just to be clear, you deny any of these facts, or you are just not comfortable with the way Ghaddafi presented it to that christian community? because to me it sounds like you are objecting to the fact in your post, which generated comments like the one from Firas, you know?!
khalid, lool your sense of absolutism of me either being ignorant or denying the quran (thus a kafir by any standards) is akin to Bush’s “you’re either with us or against us”. On that note, I never thought I would have to direct people towards the humor in Qadaffi’s actions, but I guess that’s one of the reasons he’s still in power.
forget about the which came first, the chicken or the egg, part of this. concentrate on the element of the story quoted above: qadaffi goes to a predominantly christian country where he tells them that their bible is forged because it doesn’t mention the Prophet pbuh. other than the fact that he’s lucky he didn’t get chased out of uganda (which is funny unto itself), look at this from a christian’s point of view, whereby you believe the bible to be true, and your religion to be true and someone calls it falsehood for a historically (not islamically) false reason.
those two things…coupled with the ugandan muslim community who end up distancing themselves from him even after he came to open a mosque for them, is pretty damn funny.
if you still don’t get it, then i dunno. email me and i’ll send you a diagram.
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“so yes, its a very main point in the bible to point out 3alamt innobowwa of prophet m7ammed pbuh so that the rest of humanity until the end of life would follow his leads.”
i agree it was an element of the bible and sayidna issa pbuh’s purpose, but not the main purpose he was sent down as a reformer of the past and a harbinger of the future.
Nas, I love it when I see a Muslim who knows what he is talking about in terms of this topic and cuts through so many of the myths that have been created.
There is much I could say on the topic, but it would only make the commentors mad and you are doing a great job.
I too, laughed at the audacity of this Qaddafi, and thank God for ‘the distance’. 🙂
السيد نسيم الطراونة
إن التكلٌّم بالدين دون علم هو Ø£Øد أهم المشاكل التي نعاني منها اﻵن، وأظن أن هذا خطأ وقعت به يا أخ نسيم وهو ما Øاول السيد Ùراس توضيخه لك، Ùإذا كان اﻹنجيل معناه البشارة، أي البشارة بالنبي Ù…Øمد صلى الله عليه وسلم، Ùبالتأكيد أن اﻹسم يدل على الموضوع الرئيسي بالكتاب وهو البشارة بالنبي Ù…Øمد عليه السلام، وقد أورد لك اﻷخ خالد جرار أدلة ذلك من القرآن الكريم. أما بالنسبة لما تعتقده مضØÙƒ من عمل القذاÙÙŠ عندما أشار لتØري٠اﻹنجيل ÙÙŠ بلد نصراني، Ùأنا هنا أتسائل ماذا تÙضّÙÙ„ØŒ أن يقول أن اﻹنجيل غير Ù…Øرّ٠مثلا!!Ù‹ØŒ وهل تعتقد أن عليه أن يجامل!!ØŒ Ùمثلاً يعتقد النصارى ÙƒÙراً أن Ø§Ù„Ù…Ø³ÙŠØ Ø¹Ù„ÙŠÙ‡ السلام هو ابن الله (Øاشا الله سبØانه أن يتخذ ولد) Ùإذا كنت ÙÙŠ بلد نصراني هل تؤيدهم، وإﻻ سنعتقد أن عدم تأييدك لهم أمر مضØÙƒ وننشره بالمدونات!!. كذلك Ùإن اﻷخ خالد لم ÙŠÙÙƒÙÙ‘ÙرÙÙƒÙŽ ولكن Ø£ÙˆØ¶Ø Ù„Ùƒ خطأك وهو خطأ يجب أن تستغÙر الله عليه عسى أن يغÙر لك
kinzi: thanks for having a sense of humor.
Ghassan: i know what firas was saying, since you and him are the same person.
“Ùأنا هنا أتسائل ماذا تÙضّÙÙ„ØŒ أن يقول أن اﻹنجيل غير Ù…Øرّ٠مثلا!!Ù‹”
lol, how about not saying anything at all!
how hard would it be to go to a predominantly christian country and NOT insult its christian community and THEIR beliefs?!
heck, here’s one, how about not insulting them at all!?
how many christians, specifically christian leaders, come to Jordan or any Islamic country for that matter, and call us the followers of a false religion?
it’s like McCain coming to Amman to declare his support for Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
Having the same IP address with Firas does not mean we are the same person, but it means we are using the same network :-), The point is not about insulting people, it is about saying wrong things specially in religion to please them, that was your mistake
just the ip address? eh yallah 3ad… 😉
the point is about learning to see things from a perspective not based on your world view, your refusal to do so, was yours.
يا زلمه والله زودتها يعني بدك تسوي الجو جميل عندك 🙂 كل ما ÙÙŠ الموضوع انك غلطان
واعتقادات النصارى غلط كمان اذا انت شكيت بهذا الاشي Ùهذا بØد ذاته ÙƒÙر لانه القران ØµØ±ÙŠØ Ø¨Ù‡Ø§ÙŠ الشغله الدين Ø§Ù„ØµØ ÙˆØ§Øد هو الاسلام ولا انت ايش رايك 🙂 🙂
ولا بهاي كمان بدك تجادل
I know that Im going far out of the subject here, but I would like to respond to what Mr. Jarra saying:
“yes it was definatly one of the main reasons of sending the bible, to send the bshara of innabi 3alyhi i99alat wassalam, that will be a nabi for ever, while risalat sayyidna 3eesa is limited in time and will stop being followed the moment risalat mu7ammed 3alayhi i99alat wassalam appears (y3ni this is the muslim belief)”
Well I dont really see this in the Quran. It never said that the message of 3eesa ends by that of Mohammad’s. on the contrary, in soorat Al Ma’ida God asks Mohammad why are the others coming to ask him in some issues when they have their own book, Then Allah says : “Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.” (This is verse 47 in Al Ma’ida) This verse shows a very clear order from Allah for the people of the Gospel to use their own book.
By the way here is the Arabic version of two verses that shows that the Gospel is valid:
وَكَيْÙÙŽ ÙŠÙØَكّÙÙ…Ùونَكَ وَعÙندَهÙم٠التَّوْرَاة٠ÙÙيهَا ØÙكْم٠اللّه٠ثÙمَّ يَتَوَلَّوْنَ Ù…ÙÙ† بَعْد٠ذَلÙÙƒÙŽ وَمَا Ø£ÙوْلَـئÙÙƒÙŽ بÙالْمÙؤْمÙÙ†Ùينَ
وَلْيَØْكÙمْ أَهْل٠الإÙنجÙيل٠بÙمَا أَنزَلَ اللّه٠ÙÙيه٠وَمَن لَّمْ ÙŠÙŽØْكÙÙ… بÙمَا أَنزَلَ اللّه٠ÙÙŽØ£ÙوْلَـئÙÙƒÙŽ Ù‡Ùم٠الْÙَاسÙÙ‚Ùون
Firas/Ghassan: lol, see i know this is hard for you to get, but pay careful attention to the following shocking statement: im not arguing what’s written in the quran regarding christian theology. i’ll give you a moment to let that sink in through the thickness.
the purpose of this post is articulated in reply #8. though your attempts to paint me into a corner of being anti-quran thus a kafir is amusing at best and a bit redundant at worst. i’m sure if you put both your personalities together you can come up with something new.
in any case, i’m tired of the jeckyll and hyde act; there’s enough bad theater in the world as it is 😉
Ghassan, you said everything I wanted to say. I was at work and couldnt.
So
يسلم ثمك
Naseem, the physical location of the statment is irrelevant. What is more important is the ideology and the underlying logic behind such statments. Take for example the Pope, two years ago he uttered some controversial statments about islam and ignored the 1800 years of what his church did, he “aplogized” I guess, then two days ago in the midst of a new islamo-christian dialogue he baptized what they called a “prominent” muslim scholar. But hey he was at the vatican!
It is logical that any relegion will acknowldge the existence of earlier relegions, and this is the reality. Jews–>Christians(catholic–> protestants)–>Muslims(sunni–>shia).. Anywho, I exactly see your point naseem, and the logic of having different world views doesn’t even exist in scientific research, there will always be bias, so you shouldn’t expect the average human being to have different world views, and this thread is an example of such mentality 😉
El comments msharret, 3melet 10000 submit!
Nas! :O
“khalid, lool your sense of absolutism of me either being ignorant or denying the quran (thus a kafir by any standards) is akin to Bush’s “you’re either with us or against usâ€. ”
ya akhy what are you on about!!! obviosuly you wrote a post that leaves a lot of room for mistake in what YOU believe, which lead to that many people and comments got you wrong or at least had questioned your stand in this issue, and i worte my comment stating the obvious: the muslims stand of this issue, and then asked you if are against this main stream muslim thought, or if you missed it, y3ni are you saying that if a certain aya ma marrat 3alek that makes you ignorant? i never said that!! and i am sure there are many ayat and 2a7kam of 3aqa2id and fiqh that you dont know (or do you know them all mr?) and just because i pointed out that maybe you dont know these ayat and hence made that judgment, just because i suggested that, makes it an accusation of ignorence?
walla ya akhy i am not at all doing a “if you are not with us you are against us” on the contrary, you are doing the bushy thing of “if you question what i say you are an extremest”.
“i agree it was an element of the bible and sayidna issa pbuh’s purpose, but not the main purpose he was sent down as a reformer of the past and a harbinger of the future.”
i havent said nor Ghassan did, that bshara on innabi pbuh is THE MAIN REASON, we said that its A main reason: A.. AAA mean reason.
and then i wrote you a second comment and i asked you to clear your position if you are against the fact or against the way Ghathafi presented them. y3ni its obviosu that i am not accusing you of anything, so what is it with this “i will send you a diagram” attitude of yours? obviosluy the problem is with your writing not with our reading.
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MD :
hello:)
lets stop for a moment here:)
you got both of the meaning of ayat wrong:
The first aya, is this: http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=TABARY&nType=1&nSora=5&nAya=43
while the second aya: read it fully:
ÙˆÙŽÙ‚ÙŽÙَّيْنَا عَلَى آثَارÙÙ‡Ùمْ بÙعÙيسَى ابْن٠مَرْيَمَ Ù…ÙصَدّÙقًا Ù„Ùمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْه٠مÙÙ†ÙŽ التَّوْرَاةÙ
وَآتَيْنَاه٠الْإÙنْجÙيلَ
ÙÙيه٠هÙدًى ÙˆÙŽÙ†Ùورٌ
ÙˆÙŽÙ…ÙصَدّÙقًا Ù„Ùمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْه٠مÙÙ†ÙŽ التَّوْرَاةÙ
ÙˆÙŽÙ‡Ùدًى وَمَوْعÙظَةً Ù„ÙلْمÙتَّقÙينَ
وَلْيَØْكÙمْ أَهْل٠الإÙنجÙيل٠بÙمَا أَنزَلَ اللّه٠ÙÙيه٠وَمَن لَّمْ ÙŠÙŽØْكÙÙ… بÙمَا أَنزَلَ اللّه٠ÙÙŽØ£ÙوْلَـئÙÙƒÙŽ Ù‡Ùم٠الْÙَاسÙÙ‚Ùون
and this is tafseerha too: http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KORTOBY&nType=1&nSora=5&nAya=47
And for both Ayat, you can check all tafaser available, y3ni even in the same website i am linking to check tafseer ibin katheer, il qor6obi, i66abari, etc all agree on the tafseer of both ayat, which is far away of what you suggested.
the aya talks about Engeel back in its time, we do not deny that il ingeel came min rab il 3alameen, and it was a must to follow its teachings when it was the last book, just like we say that il yahood were ahl il 7aq until 3eesa pbuh came, then they should have followed him to be 3ala il 7aq, and then Muhamed pbuh, and then chrisitans and jews must follow him to be on 7aq (thats what muslimc believe).
Back to your point:
يجب الإيمان عند المسلمين بأن ( التوراة والإنجيل ) قد Ù†Ùسخا بالقرآن الكريم، وأنه قد Ù„Øقهما التØري٠والتبديل والزيادة والنقصان كما جاء بيان ذلك ÙÙŠ آيات من كتاب الله الكريم، منها قول الله تعالى:
{ÙَبÙمَا نَقْضÙÙ‡ÙÙ… مّÙيثَاقَهÙمْ لَعنَّاهÙمْ وَجَعَلْنَا Ù‚ÙÙ„ÙوبَهÙمْ قَاسÙيَةً ÙŠÙØَرّÙÙÙونَ الْكَلÙÙ…ÙŽ عَن مَّوَاضÙعÙه٠وَنَسÙواْ Øَظَّا مّÙمَّا Ø°ÙÙƒÙرÙواْ بÙه٠وَلاَ تَزَال٠تَطَّلÙع٠عَلَى خَآئÙنَة٠مّÙنْهÙمْ Ø¥Ùلاَّ Ù‚ÙŽÙ„Ùيلاً مّÙنْهÙÙ…Ù} [المائدة:13]ØŒ وقوله جل وعلا: {Ùَوَيْلٌ لّÙلَّذÙينَ يَكْتÙبÙونَ الْكÙتَابَ بÙأَيْدÙيهÙمْ Ø«Ùمَّ ÙŠÙŽÙ‚ÙولÙونَ هَـذَا Ù…Ùنْ عÙنْد٠اللَّه٠لÙيَشْتَرÙواْ بÙه٠ثَمَناً Ù‚ÙŽÙ„Ùيلاً Ùَوَيْلٌ لَّهÙمْ مّÙمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدÙيهÙمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهÙمْ مّÙمَّا يَكْسÙبÙونَ} [البقرة:79]ØŒ وقوله سبØانه: {ÙˆÙŽØ¥Ùنَّ Ù…ÙنْهÙمْ Ù„ÙŽÙَرÙيقاً يَلْوÙونَ أَلْسÙنَتَهÙمْ بÙالْكÙتَاب٠لÙتَØْسَبÙوه٠مÙÙ†ÙŽ الْكÙتَاب٠وَمَا Ù‡ÙÙˆÙŽ Ù…ÙÙ†ÙŽ الْكÙتَاب٠وَيَقÙولÙونَ Ù‡ÙÙˆÙŽ Ù…Ùنْ عÙنْد٠اللًّه٠وَمَا Ù‡ÙÙˆÙŽ Ù…Ùنْ عÙند٠اللَّه٠وَيَقÙولÙونَ عَلَى اللَّه٠الْكَذÙبَ ÙˆÙŽÙ‡Ùمْ يَعْلَمÙونَ} [آل عمران:78]
ولهذا Ùما كان منها صØÙŠØاً Ùهو منسوخ بالإسلام، وما سوى ذلك Ùهو Ù…Øرّ٠أو مبدّل. وقد ثبت عن النبي أنه غضب Øين رأى مع عمر بن الخطاب صØÙŠÙØ© Ùيها شيء من التوراة، وقال عليه الصلاة والسلام: «أÙÙŠ شك أنت يا ابن الخطاب؟! ألم آت بها بيضاء نقية؟ لو كان أخي موسى Øياً ما وسعه إلا إتباعي» رواه Ø£Øمد والدارمي وغيرهما.
كما أن من أصول الإعتقاد ÙÙŠ الإسلام أن بعثة Ù…Øمد صلى الله عليه وسلم عامة للناس أجمعين قال الله تعالى: {ÙˆÙŽÙ…ÙŽØ¢ أَرْسَلْنَاكَ Ø¥Ùلاَّ ÙƒÙŽØ¢Ùَّةً لّÙلنَّاس٠بَشÙيراً ÙˆÙŽÙ†ÙŽØ°Ùيراً وَلَـكÙنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاس٠لاَ يَعْلَمÙونَ} [ سبأ:28]ØŒ وقال سبØانه: {Ù‚Ùلْ يا أَيّÙهَا النَّاس٠إÙنّÙÙŠ رَسÙول٠اللَّه٠إÙلَيْكÙمْ جَمÙيعاً}[الأعراÙ:158] وغيرها من الآيات.
ومن أصول الإسلام أنه يجب اعتقاد ÙƒÙر كل من لم يدخل ÙÙŠ الإسلام من اليهود والنصارى وغيرهم، وأنه من أهل النار كما قال تعالى: {لَمْ ÙŠÙŽÙƒÙن٠الَّذÙينَ ÙƒÙŽÙَرÙواْ Ù…Ùنْ أَهْل٠الْكÙتَاب٠وَالْمÙشْرÙÙƒÙينَ Ù…ÙÙ†ÙَكّÙينَ Øَتَّى تَأْتÙÙŠÙŽÙ‡Ùم٠الْبَيّÙÙ†ÙŽØ©Ù} [البينة:1]. وقال جل وعلا: {Ø¥Ùنَّ الَّذÙينَ ÙƒÙŽÙَرÙواْ Ù…Ùنْ أَهْل٠الْكÙتَاب٠وَالْمÙشْرÙÙƒÙينَ ÙÙÙŠ نَار٠جَهَنَّمَ خَالÙدÙينَ ÙÙيهَآ أَوْلَـئÙÙƒÙŽ Ù‡Ùمْ شَرّ٠الْبَرÙيَّةÙ} [البينة:6]ØŒ وغيرها من الآيات. وثبت ÙÙŠ صØÙŠØ Ù…Ø³Ù„Ù… أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: «والذي Ù†Ùسي
بيده، لا يسمع بي Ø£Øد من هذه الأمة يهودي ولا نصراني، ثم يموت ولم يؤمن بالذي Ø£Ùرسلت به إلا كان من أهل النار».
ومن أصول الإعتقاد ÙÙŠ الإسلام أن كتاب الله تعالى ( القرآن الكريم ) هو آخر كتب الله نزولاً وعهداً برب العالمين، وأنه ناسخ لكل كتاب Ø£Ùنزل من قبل من التوراة والإنجيل وغيرها، ومهيمن عليها، Ùلم يبق كتاب يتعبّد به سوى ( القرآن الكريم ) قال الله تعالى:
{وَأَنزَلْنَآ Ø¥Ùلَيْكَ الْكÙتَابَ بÙالْØَقّ٠مÙصَدّÙقاً لّÙمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْه٠مÙÙ†ÙŽ الْكÙتَاب٠وَمÙهَيْمÙناً عَلَيْه٠ÙَاØْكÙÙ… بَيْنَهÙÙ… بÙÙ…ÙŽØ¢ أَنزَلَ اللَّه٠وَلاَ تَتَّبÙعْ أَهْوَآءَهÙمْ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ Ù…ÙÙ†ÙŽ الْØَقّÙ} [المائدة:48]
أولاً: Ùإن من أصول الإعتقاد ÙÙŠ الإسلام المعلومة من الدين بالضرورة، والتي أجمع عليها المسلمون، أنه لا يوجد على وجه الأرض دين ØÙ‚ سوى دين الإسلام، وأنه خاتم الأديان، وناسخ لجميع ما قبله من الأديان والملل والشرائع، Ùلم يبق على وجه الأرض دين ÙŠÙتعبد الله به سوى الإسلام، قال الله تعالى:
{ÙˆÙŽÙ…ÙŽÙ† يَبْتَغ٠غَيْرَ الإÙسْلاَم٠دÙيناً Ùَلَنْ ÙŠÙقْبَلَ Ù…Ùنْه٠وَهÙÙˆÙŽ ÙÙÙŠ الآخÙرَة٠مÙÙ†ÙŽ الْخَاسÙرÙينَ} [آل عمران:85]. والإسلام بعد بعثة Ù…Øمد صلى الله عليه وسلم هو ما جاء به دون ما سواه من الأديان.
اما قبل بعثة سيدما Ù…Øمد Ùالمسلمون هم اتباع كل نبي وقت رسالته Øتى ياتي نبي بعده ينسخ ما جاء به
وأتل عليهم نبأ Ù†ÙˆØ Ø¥Ø° قال لقومه ….إن أجري إلا على الله وأمرت أن أكون من المسلمين (يونس 10 : 71‎‎ Ù€ 72)
ما كان إبراهيم يهوديا ولا نصرانيا ولكن ØنيÙا مسلما (آل عمران 3 : 67 )
أم كنتم شهداء إذ Øضر يعقوب الموت ….قالوا نعبد إلهك وإله ابائك إبراهيم وإسماعيل واسØÙ‚ إلها واØدا ونØÙ† له مسلمون ( البقرة 2 : 133)
ÙÙŠ الØديث عن يوس٠…. رب … علمتني من تأويل الأØاديث …. توÙني مسلما والØقني بالصالØين ( يوس٠12 : 101 )
قال موسى يا قوم إن كنتم آمنتم بالله Ùعليه توكلوا إن كنتم مسلمين (يونس 10 : 84 )
وجاوزنا ببني إسرائيل البØر Ùاتبعهم Ùرعون وجنوده بغيا وعدوا Øتى إذا أدركه الغرق قال أمنت انه لا إله إلا الذي أمنت به بنوا إسرائيل وأنا من المسلمين (يونس 10 ‎: 90 )
قال الØواريون (تلاميذ Ø§Ù„Ù…Ø³ÙŠØ ) Ù†ØÙ† أنصار الله آمنا بالله وأشهد بانا مسلمون ( آل عمران 3 : 52 )
of course, all accordingn to muslims faith, only.
so if this is the case, you think islam would want christians to follow the bible NOW? or back then in the time it was the last book?
i hope this answers your questions! if you would like to know more about this, feel free to email me:)
Mohanned,
i’m glad you commented. and yeah i agree, had he made such a move elsewhere it would’ve triggered a lot more alarm bells. that being said, the pope’s moves towards islam are just as ridiculous as qadaffi’s statements. he pretty much negated the contributions of his predecessor.
exaaactly. man, thanks for taking the time to actually understand my point rather than draw absurd conclusions and cling to them like they were gospel (or the quran in this case?)
yeah sorry about that, seems the site went down for a few minutes.
Khalid,
“and just because i pointed out that maybe you dont know these ayat and hence made that judgment, just because i suggested that, makes it an accusation of ignorence?”
lol of course it does, and you delivered that point in the most condescending way imaginable; forcing me pay it back in full. you wern’t asking for a real clarification, you dove right in to the questioning of whether i know where Islam stands on christianity and issa pbuh, lol, which is at best patronizing. as if i were a child with no knowledge of my own religion. ya3ni the last question in your comment set the tone for it all.
in any case, i give up. really i do.
my mistake was in thinking the humor of the story was obvious…and I thank God that some people got it 😀
NAS:
There is no humor at all in what you wrote, and I don’t think that any Christian found the Pope statement related to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), humor!! and if you read my response on (3), you will find that I was making things clear about the meaning of Bible, and instead of trying to understand, you started arguing in things you don’t know, I really advice you to read khalid jarrar comments without being personal, and read The Tafseer of all Ayyat he mentioned, and ask God for forgiveness
Ghassan/Firas: “I don’t think that any Christian found the Pope statement related to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), humor!! ”
i never said that. reread my response carefully without taking it personal. otherwise, don’t make things up.
“and ask God for forgiveness”
oh brother, i ask God for His forgiveness at least 5 times a day: to forgive me, my family, my friends…and the boundless human capacity for stupidity that i keep failing to underestimate.
in the most condescending way imaginable!
omg! ya akhy inta walla shiklak 7aqid 3alay y3ni 😀 walla i never meant to, if you re read what i wrote without putting that thought in mind, and with assuming good will, maybe you would see it different? walla i swear i never meant but clarifying y3ni, ya akhy assume there is a language barrier, assume my english sucks, assume that maybe i didnt mean to, y3ni iltamis li 2akheeka 3othran. i never meant to be condescending, i swear.
And please! what is it with you today? you are shouting up and down, bitbahdil fiyyih o insultnig other commenters calling them thick and such? what is it with you ya akhy? where is the diplomat naseet that we know?
in 2008, 3adi jiddan you find muslims tell you they dont believe in this or that thing in quran, muslimeen want to change 2a7kam in quran, 3adi jiddan jiddan y3ni you live in 2008 you see a lot, i was just clerifying, just just trying to understand, if you do know il 7okm il shar3i or not, and then if you know it do you believe in it or not, and then if you believe in it then whats bothering you is it the way qathafi presented it?! y3ni i was exploring the logical options, and forgive me if i sounded condesending, mish a9di ya zalamih Alla shahid mish 2a9di, that said, y3ni let me run before you start shooting bullets and kill everyone here, God knows bwijih meen mi96ibi7 inta il yom 😀
The post made me laugh, the comments made me cry. Sigh.
Thanks god Iam an atheist
Why do you people have to get so defensive? Why is it that we are so sensitive? But it is a sad reality, even when no one is attacking we get in the defensive mode. Stop for a second and think!
for Firas Ghassan and Khalid,
واعتقادات النصارى غلط كمان اذا انت شكيت بهذا الاشي Ùهذا بØد ذاته ÙƒÙر لانه القران ØµØ±ÙŠØ Ø¨Ù‡Ø§ÙŠ الشغله الدين Ø§Ù„ØµØ ÙˆØ§Øد هو الاسلام
هذا ايمانك Ùˆ رأيك Ùˆ انت Øر بس ما تÙرضه على غيرك انو Ø§Ù„ØµØ Ùˆ مش بالسياسة
i am not going to agrue about your beliefs or mine, but all i want to tell you is that you cant hold me accountable for what you think is right especially when it comes to religion, God does that in the judgement day, i have the right to believe whatever i choose to and its my right that you respect my choice and my religion and my sect of religion and how i am going to impose religion in my life. ma 7ada dakhalo, there is no ONE right way and the biggest proof is every choice and decision you make in your everyday life. the human understanding collectively matures and it doesnt stop at one stage or another unless you want to be blindly lead.
what do you think i would feel when i read the following
ومن أصول الإسلام أنه يجب اعتقاد ÙƒÙر كل من لم يدخل ÙÙŠ الإسلام من اليهود والنصارى وغيرهم، وأنه من أهل النار
ALL religions believe that if you didnt believe in it, you will end up in hell. open your mind!
i read some links of google references on mentioning Muhammad pbuh in the Bible and that its being forged. fine, you can argue that, but i wouldnt give it to you except after you read the Bible, the Torah, the Talmud, in depth and understood them all and read the history in the biblical times of each to know the right implications of the word context of your and my religion and all the history of civilization and their preceptions, maybe all the east orient religions to come and argue heart and soul and mind that you are fully accountable of what you are saying and that you are not uttering words because they are just there because im very sure you wont say what you are saying now.
if you are going to keep up with this mentality, all the richness of your religion will fade. if you dont learn to accept the others you wont progress and your are limiting your horizons, because when you want to prove yourself right, you dont go point others mistakes, this is a very weak arguement, act upon your points of strength and work on yourself and let others be and realise that politics and religions are meaaaaaaaans to control the masses!
Wow.
People: what Nas. meant is that Qaddafi always say the wrong thing and gets away with it cos people think he’s crazy and gave up on him a very long time ago. No one here is attacking the Holy Bible (except Qaddafi of course)
Nas: I totally get the joke
why people turned this into a debate beats me..
Qaddafi always makes me laugh. the man is beyond repair (for lack of a better word)
Love your blog by the way 😀
Dude … wt?
“…and the boundless human capacity for stupidity that i keep failing to underestimate.”
Talk about condescending.
Unless of course you mean your own stupidity, this comes across as an outright insult to the guys who did nothing buy argue a point rationally.
Jarrar,
As you have clearly mentioned, the word Islam and Muslim came in Quran to describe faiths, it came to describe the Islam religion by Mohammad and came as a description of those who “Sallamo” to God by following Jesus or Moses or Ibrahim. the difference between us is that I prefer to think that Islam means any of the religions or paths sent ,to be followed, by God. You prefer to have it as the religion came with Mohammad.
Another point that is nice to know, People pray for God and worship God, So he is the only one to say if they are infidels or thankful. He is the only one to decide. You can only judge those who pray for you, who love you if they are good in Loving you, who gives you friendship if they are good in giving it. Play no lawyer for God as he needs none. He is good enough to know what is everyone doing, You do not listen to those whom you are calling infidels in the night before they sleep if they are thanking God for the good day they had or not. You do not have the mercy God has. So its better to judge only yourself.
Seriously this thread was about Qaddafi, the only guy who makes me think of watching any Arab meeting, the only one who makes it FUN. Im out of here now 🙂
“As you have clearly mentioned, the word Islam and Muslim came in Quran to describe faiths, it came to describe the Islam religion by Mohammad and came as a description of those who “Sallamo†to God by following Jesus or Moses or Ibrahim.”
Sorry MD, but that wrong. It should read “came as a description of those who “Sallamo†to God by following Jesus and Moses and Ibrahim and Mohammed and all the other prophets mentioned in the Quran.” . There are even ayaa’s specifically talking about those who follow all the prophets except the Prophet Mohammed ( PBUH ) and what punishment they will reap for it.
PH, fine, its written there and all who are not Muslims will be punished. i am going to hell o ba3dain? how does that affect you personally or determine what kind of relation i have with you for example, how do you precieve me as a minority in Jordan.
do you think than being a muslim makes you better than others? or that any muslim whatever his sect was or level of understanding to religion is absolutely better than an average non-muslim. this is a general question it applies to all, willa kullo 3ind il 3arab mansaf
Naseem,
Many get your logic, please do not give up 🙂
Tala,
First off I’m not Jordanian :). Second, I wasn’t talking to you I was talking to MD who I perceived as Muslim, so I meant no offense to you; but I was stating a fact of our religion which I firmly believe in, which was the correction I highlighted in the quote. And I was correcting the notion that those who believe in the Prophet Jesus or Moses ( PBUT ) are Muslims without the need to believe in the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH ).
“its written there and all who are not Muslims will be punished. i am going to hell o ba3dain? “
I never said that was written nor do I honestly believe it, I said that the Quran mentions that those who don’t believe in the prophet Mohammed ( PBUH ) will be punished; but it also so says that Gods Mercy is great and when interpreting the Quran all Ayaa’s have to be taken into consideration. So, its my belief that in general those who knownly defy God’s will, as stated in Islam, will probably go to hell; but not necessarily because God will Judge their deeds as well as their beliefs, which are (the deeds) a direct reflection of their real intentions/beliefs. At the end of the day its not for me to Judge peoples beliefs on an individual basis and how God judges them is only known to him not me.
“how do you precieve me as a minority in Jordan”
I’m sure its just as hard as being a minority in any country, but I really don’t know the details so i can’t reply to that.
“do you think than being a muslim makes you better than others? or that any muslim whatever his sect was or level of understanding to religion is absolutely better than an average non-muslim.”
No.
“willa kullo 3ind il 3arab mansaf”
I’m not familiar with that saying if you want me to reply to it could you please elaborate :).
I see that you are offended but I hope you would reread my comment and take a deep breath and reconsider as I only discussing, on a literal level, a certain fundamental understanding of Islam that is existent in all the other monolithic religions. Except we are the only ones who believe in all the other religions 😉 .
P.S. sorry I forgot to say that there may be some errors or inconsistencies in my above comment as I’m in a hurry and on my way out to work :).
Tala,
You have to keep in mind that some people don’t see beyond the tip of their nose, and we are lucky if their nose is kinda tall. All human beings are created equal and good deeds are the measure. And no one is entitled to judge anyone.
And what you meant is kollo 3end el 3arab saboon 😉 Mansaf is a different issue, but it alwyas tastes better with the samen baladi balgawi.. o 3shan naseem yalla beljameed el karaki 😉
Nas – hahaha if we had an Arabic version of the Daily Show Qaddafi would be the star … the daily moment of zen loool
This may be too contentious an area to enter but here goes –
To all those who are calling other people’s views “wrong†and “incorrect†and urging them to “ask for forgiveness†for having different understandings of Islam, I would just like to remind you of the story of the Khawarej and the fourth Rightly Guided Khalif Ali. The Khawarej accused the Khalif “of accepting the judgment and dominion (hakimiyya) of human beings instead of abiding by the dominion of God’s law†after he accepted to arbitrate his political dispute with a competing political faction led by Mu‘awiya. “But the Khawarij—pious, puritanical, and fanatical—believed that God’s law clearly supported ‘Ali. So they rejected arbitration as inherently unlawful and, in effect, a challenge to God’s sovereignty.â€
“Upon hearing of this accusation, ‘Ali called upon the people to gather around him and brought a large copy of the Qur’an. ‘Ali touched the Qur’an while instructing it to speak to the people and inform them about God’s law. Surprised, the people gathered around ‘Ali exclaimed, “What are you doing? The Qur’an cannot speak, for it is not a human being!†Upon hearing this, ‘Ali exclaimed that this was exactly his point. The Qur’an, ‘Ali explained, is but ink and paper, and it does not speak for itself. Instead, it is human beings who give effect to it according to their limited personal judgments and opinions.â€
(excerpts from Khaled Abou El Fadl’s essay ‘Islam and the challenge of democracy’).
The moral of the story is the Qur’an is a miracle, a book for every time and place, and what makes it such a miracle is its ability to allow different interpretations and beliefs. That is why it is a binding force for humanity – because a liberal and a conservative and a socialist and a capitalist can still agree on a single faith.
You can not reject other people’s interpretations of the Qur’an just because they do not suit your own ends.
PH,
Thanks for your comment, bil3aks im glad you wrote that and you cleared it out, its an eye opener and i hope all agree to what you wrote because it makes more specific.
first, i want to quote this piece from a history book, sorry if there are any typos:
من كتاب تاريخ الاسلام السياسي Ùˆ الديني Ùˆ الثقاÙÙŠ Ùˆ الاجتماعي، د. Øسن ابراهيم Øسن الطبعة السابعة 1964
هجرة المسلمين الى الØبشة:
رأى الرسول ما اصاب اصØابه من البلاء Ùقال لهم: “لو خرجتم الى أرض الØبشة Ùان Ùيها ملكا لا يظلم اØد Ùˆ هي ارض صدق Øتى يجعل الله لكم Ùرجا” Ùˆ اتجه الرسول الى الØبشة Ùˆ قد هاجر عشرة رجال Ùˆ اربعة نسوة معه ثم زاد عددهم Øتى بلغ عددهم ثلاثة Ùˆ ثمانين رجلا Ùˆ سبع عشرة امرأة سوى الصبيان.
ارسلت قريش عبد الله بن ابي ربيعة Ùˆ عمرو بن العاص الى النجاشي ملك الØبشة ليخرجهم من بلاده
طلب النجاشي المهاجرين Ùˆ سألهم عن Øقيقة دينهم Ùتقدم جعÙر بن ابي طالب ووص٠Øال العرب قبل الاسلام Ùˆ بعده Ùˆ Ø´Ø±Ø Ù„Ù‡ ان دعوة رسول الله ترمي الى ترك الاوثان Ùˆ عبادة الله Ùˆ التخلق بمكارم الاخلاق Ùسأل النجاشي: هل معك مما جاء به عن الله؟ Ùقرأ جعÙر سورة مريم Ùˆ Ùيها Øديث ميلاد Ø§Ù„Ù…Ø³ÙŠØ Ùبكى النجاشي Ùˆ بكت اساقÙته
قال عمرو بن العاص: ” لاخبرنه انهم يزعمون ان عيسى بن مريم عبد” لما خرجا
Ùˆ ÙÙŠ اليوم التالي طلبوا مقابلة النجاشي الذي ارسل ÙÙŠ طاب جعÙر Ùˆ سأله: ماذا تقولون ÙÙŠ عيسى بن مريم؟ Ùقال جعÙر: ” نقول Ùيه الذي جاء به نبينا صلى الله عليه Ùˆ سلم: هو عبد الله Ùˆ رسوله Ùˆ روØÙ‡ Ùˆ كلمته ألقاها الى مريم العذراء البتول” Ùقال النجاشى: Ùˆ الله ما عدا عيسى بن مريم ما قلت اذهبوا Ùانتم امنون Ùˆ من سبكم عاقبناه. Ùˆ اقام بعضهم ÙÙŠ الØبشة الى السنة السابعة للهجرة
الغاية من هاي الÙقرة انو اول من اØتضن الدعوة الاسلامية Ùˆ امن Ùيها Ùˆ دعمها كان المسيØية، دايما ارجع للتاريخ Ùˆ ØØ· Øكي المؤسسات على جنب
there is something i want to write you about Prophecy but give me some time, later today i will post it.
Muhannad, lol Mansaf is what came up in my mind at that moment and i couldnt remember that it was saboon hmm, wasn’t it burghol?! anyways, it means monochrome.
Nas, im sorry i went beyond the main topic.
النجاشي اعتنق اﻹسلام Ùيما بعد